tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417197.post113656343036030968..comments2023-07-21T09:30:47.335-07:00Comments on MoBlo: InG we T - Societal MoralsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417197.post-1136821831337009852006-01-09T07:50:00.000-08:002006-01-09T07:50:00.000-08:00Sorry , I never quite got to your point Clark. I ...Sorry , I never quite got to your point Clark. I think instinct certainly transforms social change to make it fit with our religious hard wiring. Thus we will always have a moral Big Brother. The shift to a new equilibrium point may not always be pretty, but compromise positions certainly seem to be rather unstable.<BR/><BR/>Social pressure can never hope to create a utopia of independent chris ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058031349104748778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417197.post-1136821367788123012006-01-09T07:42:00.000-08:002006-01-09T07:42:00.000-08:00Yes, it certainly seems like humans are hard wired...Yes, it certainly seems like humans are hard wired in their tendency to accept common moral assumptions. While there certainly can be a fair amount of flexibility in the implementation of morals, I think the rules underlying them have to be pretty universal. if not, one would have a hard time determining how the actions of others are rational. Perhaps this is one of the reason many people findchris ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058031349104748778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417197.post-1136590312376675162006-01-06T15:31:00.000-08:002006-01-06T15:31:00.000-08:00It's a good question - to what degree that social ...It's a good question - to what degree that social pressure or habit can overwhelm instinct. I tend to think (and I think Atran gets at this somewhat) that to the degree it does that instinct simply transforms social pressures. <BR/><BR/>Consider "officially" atheistic nations like the USSR. What happens is that the various religious instincts simply adopt elements of the new ideology.Clark Goblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03876620613578404474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417197.post-1136563588211197672006-01-06T08:06:00.000-08:002006-01-06T08:06:00.000-08:00I think this also ties into recent posts on danger...I think this also ties into recent posts on <A HREF="http://www.libertypages.com/clark/10688.html" REL="nofollow">dangerous ideas</A>, well specifically the loss of the concept of the soul<BR/><BR/>http://mixingmemory.blogspot.com/2006/01/dangerous-ideas-of-cognitive.html<BR/><BR/>http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_print.htmlchris ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058031349104748778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417197.post-1136563480010526612006-01-06T08:04:00.000-08:002006-01-06T08:04:00.000-08:00I think this ties into my thoughts on the religion...I think this ties into my thoughts on the religion like tendencies of progressive left wing humanism. Removing the acceptance of the universality of religion means some other universal set of rules must take its place, well as long as society is not to break down in chaos. I think the emphasis on human rights indicates that some believe there is a large enough core base of universally accepted chris ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058031349104748778noreply@blogger.com